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Automatic Language switching

Post by raymond »

Hello,

I would like to get some explanations as to how I operate this feature:

Automatic Language switching: Spelling dictionary will switch as you switch languages. You can also set which spelling dictionary to use with which language, set a language to any selected piece of text, and more.

I have played with the preferences, the last icon-languages, but I couldn't find my way there.

I hope someone can assist me here, since I work with some languages, and i would like to fix it in my Mellel files.

TIA
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Re: Automatic Language switching

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You can indicate non-default languages by highlighting the relevant text and selecting the corresponding language in the character palette in the drop-down menu labeled "Language" beneath the styles.
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Re: Automatic Language switching

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Thank you for your explanations. I have done it and configure the place got there languages.
What I see now, is that when I an on a specific text, and opening the spell checker window, it shows me the the language of the file I am in , but when trying to activate the spell checker, it stopped working.
The speller is there, the switching to the appropriate language is there, but the speller doesn't check and correct any misspelled word.
It is since Mellel 3.

I need my speller to work.
I hope to get the advise here.

And BTW the forum interface has been changed, at least to me. Any advise what to do.
I am on Safari last version and on 10.7.4
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Re: Automatic Language switching

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I have the same problem here. I need the spell checker for my translations.

The spellchecker works if I do not use the provided Icon but the menue-path (Bearbeiten-Rechtschreibung-Dokument prüfen)
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Re: Automatic Language switching

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Dear All,

I think I know where the problem is. Here is my own situation as an illustration:
- I have a Swiss-French keyboard
- I use the keyboard to write in French, but also in English, German, and other languages that uses Roman-alphabet letters.

Mellel's new feature that switches automatically the language according to the keyboard does not work well in the situation above, because I don't switch keyboards for these languages. I do switch keyboards to write in Chinese, etc. So when I write in English I end up with a French dictionary that checks the spelling.

What we need is a maybe function that disables language-switching for a selection of languages, and activates it for others. It is especially important because the main differences between the French, German, English and Swiss keyboards are the position of the letters (e.g. Z and Y are reversed in the English versus Swiss keyboard). So once you are used to one you di not want to change according to the language in which you are writing.

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Re: Automatic Language switching

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Raymond wrote:
And BTW the forum interface has been changed, at least to me. Any advise what to do.
Could you be a bit more specific about the problem?
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Re: Automatic Language switching

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basile wrote:What we need is a maybe function that disables language-switching for a selection of languages, and activates it for others.
This a bit complicated. You can turn off the language/keyboard synchro entirely and you can also turn it off for a specific language: For example, I'm assuming that when you switch to your Swiss/French keyboard, Mellel automatically switches to the French (Switzerland) language. You can prevent this by going to Preferences/Language, choosing "French (Switzerland)" and choosing "None" in the associated keyboard layout.

Now, you can still have an associated keyboard for Chinese which means that when you switch to that keyboard, Mellel will also switch to the Chinese language but when you then switch back to the French keyboard Mellel will not switch to French since it is not associated with any keyboard (to be precise, the association is the other way around, you associate the keyboard with the language but the UI is organized differently to reduce the confusion).
This is why it is a bit complicated.
What I would suggest is that
1. Associate the keyboard with the language that you use more often
2. Turn off synchro when you're working on documents that the less popular languages.

We welcome any comments you might have regarding ways to improve this. This concept is new to Mellel and I'm sure there's room for improvement.
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Re: Automatic Language switching

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More general instructions for doing spelling, hopefully we'll also issue a little video to show this, much easier to show then write about...
First, as a rule of thumb: Never mind the language popup in the spelling panel, use the language feature.

What you need to do is to Configure the languages (once), Assign languages to text, Spell check the document.
1. Configure the languages
  • Normally this is done automatically but you may disagree with our defaults and also you may have added keyboard layouts after the defaults has been set. For the sake of the example, I'll describe a situation for someone who typically writes in three languages: English, French and Arabic
    a. Open Preferences/Language
    c. Click on English
    d. Ensure that the right spelling dictionary is selected in the "Spelling Langauge" popup
    e. Ensure that the right keyboard layout is selected the "Associated Keyboard Layout"
    f. Repeat steps c-e for French and Arabic
2. Assign languages in the document
  • For new documents, this is done automatically, assuming the the Language/Keyboard synchronization is turned on: as you switch from keyboard layout to keyboard layout, Mellel will apply the appropriate language to the text.
    For existing documents you will need to go over the text and apply the languages manually: Find sequences of english text, select them, and choose "English" in the language popup of the "Character" palette. If your existing document is using specific styles or formatting for specific languages you can use the find panel to help you find text using these styles/formatting and apply the languages.
    Of-course, if your entire document is using one language then by all means just select the whole text and apply that language.
3. Spell checking the document
  • Assuming the the document text has languages properly assigned, you can spell check it using the following methods
    "Spell as you type":
    Choose Edit->Spelling->Check spelling in document - this will highlight any misspelled word in the document, after that you can go over the document, right click the misspelled word and choose an appropriate replacement.
    Using the spelling panel
    Choose Edit->Spelling->Spelling, Click "Find Next", the next misspelled (if any) word will be highlighted, choose a replacement from the list, and click "Change"
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Re: Automatic Language switching

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nicka wrote:Raymond wrote:
And BTW the forum interface has been changed, at least to me. Any advise what to do.
Could you be a bit more specific about the problem?
I  am trying to elaborate more:

I am having problems with Hebrew spell chker on Mellel 3.
I am on 10.7.4
The Hebrew speller Aspell, created by installing the CocoAspell.
When checkiing in Mellel a file containing Hebrew, English and French. The speller works fine in checking English and French, but when coming to Hebrew it doesn't work.
When doing the same thing in TextEdit or in Mail, the speller works well with all three languages.

I need my ability to spell check in Hebrew in Mellel. I have configured, as well, the langugaes in the Mellel pallets.
Here are the relevant screen pictures:
The TextEdit situatiion:
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And in Mellel
https://skitch.com/jackriklar/erd6r/scr ... t-18.55.43
And another one in Mellel
https://skitch.com/jackriklar/erd6f/scr ... t-19.06.44

Hope you will be able to guide me to solution.
TIA
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Re: Automatic Language switching

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Raymond,

As I've mentioned before, the popup in the "Spelling" panel is not used anymore in Mellel, it is overridden by the setting of the language.
What you need to do is
1. Open Preferences/Language
2. Choose "Hebrew" in the list
3. Ensure that the spelling dictionary you want to use is indeed selected in the spelling language popup

Now, in your document, assign the Hebrew language from the "Character" palette to all hebrew text, if the document is entirely in hebrew you can do "Select All" and then choose Hebrew in the Language popup of the "Character" palette.
Now you can open the spelling panel, and Click "Find Next" to find the next misspelled word.
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Re: Automatic Language switching

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Raymond: I thought you were asking for separate help with the forum interface. If not, no problem.

Eyal: thanks for the detailed explanations. This is all very elegant and works beautifully.
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Re: Automatic Language switching

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Eyal,

Thanks for your instructions, They were not useful to me. Pressing Find next in the speller shows nothing.
Some points of your explanations are not clear enough for me:
Point no. 3 in the list is unclear to me. Are you speaking about the speller window, and if it is positive, this is the sitution in my spellelr.
The rest of the instructions are also done in my case as you can see in the above screen pictures.

I do hope to get from you further instructions regarding hebrew speller in Mellel. To remind us, in other software it works fine.
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Re: Automatic Language switching

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nicka wrote:Raymond: I thought you were asking for separate help with the forum interface. If not, no problem.

Eyal: thanks for the detailed explanations. This is all very elegant and works beautifully.
I hope nicka I will be able writing as you write to Eyal. I still have problems unsolved.
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Re: Automatic Language switching

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raymond wrote:Point no. 3 in the list is unclear to me. Are you speaking about the speller window
No, as I've said a couple of times before. The popup menu in the speller window is not used anymore.

What you need to do is to open the preferences window, click on "Language", click on "Hebrew" and then select the desired spelling dictionary in the "Spelling Language" popup which is to the right of the list where you selected "Hebrew", in the same window.

Once you did that, and assuming that the text is applied with the hebrew language, the spelling panel should show you misspelled words (if any) when you click "Find Next".

Hope this helps,
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Re: Automatic Language switching

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I finally understood, with further assistance, and now it works.

Thanks for all the patient you have shown.
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