Large padding/space above inline image

[tineline]

I have been using Mellel for around a year now, and am very happy with it and getting used to it for real. However, I just started inserting images into my thesis, and discovered that inline images come with about 5 extra lines of space (that is 1,5 spacing) above them. This is very annoying! The only command I can find so far is "Extra space" (Right click -> Edit image), which I have set to 0 pt, and it does nothing. Ideally, the image would start completely inline, so that I could move it up or down line by line with Enter.

I don't know if this is a bug that came with my current version (3.3.6.), but I have other inline images that I put in earlier that do not have this space above them. When I cut these and paste them again, they are still without the space. The settings of those with space and those without are identical. The error was there in 3.3.1., too - I updated for this particular reason, but the space seemed even larger in that version.

I know I can make images floating, but I am not looking to use this option. Anyone?

[jannuss]

timeline, I can't duplicate your problem using Mellel 3.3.6b5 and Yosemite

All my images behave as before with no extra lines.

BUT, I can create a behavior similar to what youdescribe if [in the image window] I select Fitting method = float in frame

If "float in frame" is your problem, you can do one of two things
1. select fitting method = scale to fit, or
2. click on the image and change the size of the frame.

Janet

[tineline]

Thanks Janet.

I should have specified that I am still on Mavericks.
Fitting method is set to scale to fit.

I attach a link to a screen dump of the image plus the "edit image" window.

http://shares.mesolithic.org.uk/s#8f61b ... .45.05.png

[jannuss]

Just some thoughts

1. The image you show appears to be underneath another image
-- have you checked the parameters for that image?

2. Could this be a paragraph issue?
-- Do you have your paragraph style defined with spacing above or below?
-- Do you have the "keep lines together" option selected with [for example] 5 lines

3. what happens if you try to enter text in the empty area above the image? what happens if you try to select and delete it?

Janet

[tineline]

I removed the image and inserted it somewhere else. There is the same gap between text and image that was in the pic in the link. The entire thing is Body style, which normally does not cause any issues. The gap cannot be selected and the cursor cannot be placed in the gap. It does not show up when I show all invisible characters.

No, I don't have "keep lines together" activated.

Also, for some reason, the gap is visibly gone if the image is first on a page, but appears again once text bumps the image down (which is going to be happening as I write - this is the reason I want it inline and not floating).

The same problem appears with the image above this one, btw.

If I activate "causes wrap", the problem disappears, also for pictures that fill the entire page width. This is my current solution, but I just find it very strange, and I am not always going to want my images wrapped.

[jannuss]

This is beginning to sound more and more like a bug.

One ore thing to try before we send it off to support at redlers:

can you post a sample Mellel file containing one of two pages that show the problem?
If I can duplicate it, I might be able to suggest an answer.

Janet

[tika-tika]

I manage this issue by setting "image causes wrap" to the fourth button, which does not cause the text to wrap. It has been like this since I started using Mellel. This works if you do not want text to wrap around your image, which you can't do anyway if you have a caption on the image.

[jannuss]

Tika, this is weird.
I use lots of images all the time (in-line and floating) and I've never run across the problem you and tineline describe.

Could one of you send a small example, one or two pages, of a Mellel file with the problem.

Janet

[tineline]

I manage this issue by setting "image causes wrap" to the fourth button, which does not cause the text to wrap. It has been like this since I started using Mellel. This works if you do not want text to wrap around your image, which you can't do anyway if you have a caption on the image.

tika-tika; in my version, the image is actually wrapped, even with caption. However, I have the caption completely free floating at this point.

Here is an example doc with the same styles activated. The gap seems to increase with the size of the image.
http://shares.mesolithic.org.uk/s#8a5c5 ... %20.mellel

[jannuss]

I think, timeline, that the problem is in the paragraph definition.

You have defined line spacing as Units=lines, amount=1.5
If you change that to amount=1, the extra empty space disappears.

Melle is, apparently, adding an extra 50% to the height of the image.

Does this fix the problem for you?

What about you, Tika?

Janet

[tineline]

Yes! So easy, and so unbelievably logical. Thank you, Janet!