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Posted: **Fri Jun 22, 2007 4:48 pm**

ntrü: Steintrümmer
I had posted Linsentrübung before, of course

Posted: **Fri Jun 22, 2007 4:59 pm**

ditan: Kreditantrag, Kreditanstalt

Posted: **Fri Jun 22, 2007 5:02 pm**

ntrü: entrüstet, entrückt, entrümpelt and related words

Posted: **Sat Jun 23, 2007 6:49 am**

thank you very much for your replies. But sadly it is not a week of vacation.

I will let you know when I'm back and will post the improved dic.

Posted: **Sat Jun 23, 2007 1:17 pm**

Reiner,

I have just found out a simple way of how to find "ntrü" and other letter combinations in German words. Go to to an online dictionary like:

http://dict.leo.org/

Choose German as your source language.

Enter the letter combination enclosed within two "*" (wild card) characters – e. g. *ntrü* – into the search field. It will return all words containing the searched letter combination.

Sorry it's not a vacation!

Hans-Reinhard

Posted: **Sun Jun 24, 2007 12:05 pm**

Reiner,

I came across one more thing: "d-aneben" should be "da-ne-ben". I am curious. Is this going to be in the rules or will it be an exception?
Otherwise: Great improvement over the original version!

Matthias

Posted: **Sun Jun 24, 2007 12:56 pm**

matthias wrote:Reiner,

I came across one more thing: "d-aneben" should be "da-ne-ben". I am curious. Is this going to be in the rules or will it be an exception?

Both would be possible for this word, but I will insert

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.d8a

so no word starting with "da" will be hyphenated between d and a.

Posted: **Mon Jul 02, 2007 11:03 am**

@Maria
I thought that your improvements are included in the hyphenation dictionary distributed with Mellel. But it seams as if not all of them are. Some definitely are.

While I worked lot of hours improving the dictionary I decided to work further on my own dictionary. But I am going through your protocols to include your improvements to my dictionary as well. It seams as if your patterns are more elegant as mine but I also have the impression that my dictionary handles more hyphenations correctly as yours.

@all
I made further major changes to the dic so it could be that correct hyphenations are no longer working correctly in the newest one. So please test the newest dic very roughly. And please post any wrong hyphenated words here.

The dictionary is still work in progress. I will delete more and more unnecessary exceptions but this will take more time. When I will have finished this and finished the inclusion of Maria's improvements I will send the dic to Ori and he will upload it to the official Mellel homepage and will include it in the next official Mellel update.

here again are the links to download the most actual version:

German hyphenation dic
compiled dictionary
Last changes

Posted: **Wed Jul 04, 2007 9:31 am**

if you look to long at hyphenations sometimes it can occur that right and false are no longer clear, so excuse my stupid question:

Is it correct to hyphenate

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be-mäng-le

or is

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be-män-gle

correct?

Thanks.

Posted: **Wed Jul 04, 2007 10:13 am**

Reiner wrote:if you look to long at hyphenations sometimes it can occur that right and false are no longer clear, so excuse my stupid question:

Is it correct to hyphenate
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be-mäng-le
or is
code]be-män-gle[/code]
correct?

Thanks.

I'd say the latter is correct as the Duden suggests:

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be-män-geln

Posted: **Thu Jul 05, 2007 4:04 pm**

Hi,

I disagree with Mathias: I would hyphenate "be-mäng-le", although it is "be-män-geln" in the infintive form. Similarly I would hyphenate "be-mänt-le" and "be-män-teln". There is also "be-män-ge-le" and "be-män-te-le"

Hans-Reinhard

Posted: **Thu Jul 05, 2007 6:18 pm**

Dear Reiner,

Thanks for the new post. The German hyphenation gets better and better. I am especially happy that you solved the "Trenne nie S-T, denn es tut ihm weh!" problem.

Here are some more wrong hyphenations to work on:

„Schutz-pa-tron“ instead of „Schutz-pa-t-ron“
„als-dann“ instead of „als-d-ann“
„ein-dring-lich “ instead of „ein-d-ring-lich “
„ein-drin-gen“ instead of „ein-d-rin-gen“
„Hohl-raum“ instead of „Hohl-ra-um“
„ Lu-xem-burg “ instead of „ Lu-x-em-burg “
„Vor-wand“ instead of „Vor-w-and“
„Star-operationen“ instead of „ Sta-r-operationen“
„Spott-lie-des“ instead of „„Spo-ttlie-des“ “
„ ver-sof-fe-nen“ instead of „ ver-soffe-nen“
„Jo-hann“ instead of „Jo-h-ann“
„ver-dan-ken“ instead of „ver-d-an-ken“
„reist“ instead of „re-ist“
„Lehr-kan-zel“ instead of „Lehr-k-an-zel“

I do not remeber whether I asked you this before: Does Hyphenation Lab offer a solution for the German hyphenation rule that

"ck" often becomes "k-k" and
"ß" often becomes "s-s"

If not, you might want to contact the Redlers and ask if this feature can be built into the Hyphenation Lab.

Regards
Hans-Reinhard

Posted: **Thu Jul 05, 2007 10:23 pm**

Hans-Reinhard Koch wrote:Hi,

I disagree with Mathias: I would hyphenate "be-mäng-le", although it is "be-män-geln" in the infintive form. Similarly I would hyphenate "be-mänt-le" and "be-män-teln". There is also "be-män-ge-le" and "be-män-te-le"

Hans-Reinhard

I also see it like you do but I was not sure anymore after staring at it for about five minutes.

Posted: **Thu Jul 05, 2007 10:28 pm**

Hans-Reinhard Koch wrote:Dear Reiner,

Thanks for the new post. The German hyphenation gets better and better. I am especially happy that you solved the "Trenne nie S-T, denn es tut ihm weh!" problem.

That was not a big deal. But it is nice to hear that somebody realizes your work

Hans-Reinhard Koch wrote:I do not remeber whether I asked you this before: Does Hyphenation Lab offer a solution for the German hyphenation rule that

"ck" often becomes "k-k" and
"ß" often becomes "s-s"

If not, you might want to contact the Redlers and ask if this feature can be built into the Hyphenation Lab.

Regards
Hans-Reinhard

This is not possible with MHL at the moment I think. But with new rules it is not necessary anymore I think. (Or did I oversee something here?)

But if you want to make a hyphenation dic for old German rules this has to be possible, otherwise correct hyphenation following the old rules would never be possible.

But why should I ask the Redlers and why don't you create a poll here in the forum or write to them directly yourself? I don't have a special line to call them

best regards,

Posted: **Fri Jul 06, 2007 12:19 am**

once again new files are uploaded, see the links above.

the file-size of the dic is getting smaller and smaller while I rework exceptions to patterns whenever it is possible. while I'm only at the beginning with this process, I already made over 600 changes to the patterns not counted the changes to the exceptions.

Please test the dic as hard as possible and post occuring errros here. Thanks a lot. I think in a few weeks we will have a much improved German hyphenation dictionary this way.